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term='games'/><category term='unreliable narrators'/><category term='error correction'/><category term='chili'/><category term='Mary Gaitskill'/><category term='shirley jackson'/><category term='jean shepherd'/><category term='oblique strategies'/><category term='Irene Adler'/><category term='newspapers'/><category term='dictionaries'/><category term='Robert Frost'/><category term='jonah lehrer'/><category term='cold reading'/><category term='Patricia Highsmith'/><category term='Amy Hempel'/><category term='poetry'/><category term='alfred hitchcock'/><category term='psychics'/><category term='National Treasure'/><category term='calligraphy'/><category term='sentences'/><title type='text'>Comments on Ben and Alice: The disuse seems a worse evil</title><link rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#feed' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.benandalice.com/feeds/8421352458229864969/comments/default'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/19766924/8421352458229864969/comments/default'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://www.benandalice.com/2008/06/disuse-seems-worse-evil.html'/><author><name>Ben</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/14485477702193993859</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><generator version='7.00' uri='http://www.blogger.com'>Blogger</generator><openSearch:totalResults>4</openSearch:totalResults><openSearch:startIndex>1</openSearch:startIndex><openSearch:itemsPerPage>25</openSearch:itemsPerPage><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19766924.post-1185640041415139886</id><published>2008-07-16T18:39:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2008-07-16T18:39:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>I am a huge proponent of the semicolon, perhaps be...</title><content type='html'>I am a huge proponent of the semicolon, perhaps because I prefer the long-winded sentences to the concise "sound" bites. My father, when red-penciling my reports, was not such a fan, and it was (yet another) source of ongoing contention we had. Awww, memories.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;There was also a brief article in the NYTimes on the semicolon(http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/18/nyregion/18semicolon.html?scp=1&amp;sq=semicolon&amp;st=cse), ending with the cute comment that the semicolon might be on its way out, but it will live on in emotocons within the texting community.</content><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/19766924/8421352458229864969/comments/default/1185640041415139886'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/19766924/8421352458229864969/comments/default/1185640041415139886'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://www.benandalice.com/2008/06/disuse-seems-worse-evil.html?showComment=1216247940000#c1185640041415139886' title=''/><author><name>Tove</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/12742062847646248690</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='http://www.benandalice.com/2008/06/disuse-seems-worse-evil.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19766924.post-8421352458229864969' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/19766924/posts/default/8421352458229864969' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' name='blogger.itemClass' value='pid-1778809129'/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19766924.post-1471386257434319441</id><published>2008-06-24T20:56:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2008-06-24T20:56:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>When I tutor high school students for the SAT, whi...</title><content type='html'>When I tutor high school students for the SAT, which now includes a grammar section, I almost always devote a thorough teaching moment to the semicolon. I teach it so thoroughly because STUDENTS WANT ME TO. Most students have no idea how to use semicolons, but are genuinely curious about them. Subject-verb agreement, misplaced modifiers, parallel construction -- none of these command the same mystique. I teach semicolons alongside conjunctions. A semicolon is more like an "and" than like a comma; it's a link, a correlation strengthener. I have noticed with one student in particular that his fascination with this form of punctuation actually impedes his understanding of it. He's so trigger happy to put semicolons in his papers that he doesn't take the time to understand how to use them. &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;My dad's advice on this topic has always been to avoid semicolons, not because you don't know how to use them, but because no one else knows what the hell they mean. It's a fair point. &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;I'm waiting for our nerd soul-searching of the rhetorical hyphen--punctuation that, as far as I can tell, is a snappier comma. I abuse it shamelessly... and await Paul Collins'/Alice's remarks. &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;I like semi-colons because the trend towards short snappy sentences annoys me slightly. I think that the sassy, self-congratulatory tone of the short sentence is rarely backed by the insight the sentence proffers.   Instead of feeling enlightened, or amused, or engaged in a fun conversation, I feel I'm stuck reading this stop. Start. Stop. Think about it. Be impressed with my boldness. writer's voice that sends me away from new fiction and back to my check list of 19th Century French writers I haven't gotten around to reading yet. &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Or whatever. You get the idea. Or not.</content><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/19766924/8421352458229864969/comments/default/1471386257434319441'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/19766924/8421352458229864969/comments/default/1471386257434319441'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://www.benandalice.com/2008/06/disuse-seems-worse-evil.html?showComment=1214355360000#c1471386257434319441' title=''/><author><name>k8</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img1.blogblog.com/img/blank.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='http://www.benandalice.com/2008/06/disuse-seems-worse-evil.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19766924.post-8421352458229864969' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/19766924/posts/default/8421352458229864969' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' name='blogger.itemClass' value='pid-1336002870'/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19766924.post-4874274321538139952</id><published>2008-06-24T16:31:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2008-06-24T16:31:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>It says a lot whether the problem in your reading ...</title><content type='html'>It says a lot whether the problem in your reading and writing is too many semicolons or too few. When I started reading Collins's article, I expected the mainstream narrative of semicolon debauchery to be an overabundance of vague thinking; the natural conclusion of the self-esteem era, where you needn't be concise or lucid if you are being &lt;I&gt;real&lt;/I&gt;. But I guess if I peek over my New York Review of Books, there is a world of crappy writing where, I agree, thoughts are often not complicated enough to need semicolons.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;My own pathological sentences are ones where my voice evaporates into vague smog, often by means of meaning-obfuscating semicolons. William Zinsser advises that using short sentences without copious semicolons encourages you to be clear in your thinking and makes your writing more enjoyable to read. If you're writing well in other ways, I think that's usually true. If not, short sentences won't help and copious semicolons won't hurt, right?</content><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/19766924/8421352458229864969/comments/default/4874274321538139952'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/19766924/8421352458229864969/comments/default/4874274321538139952'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://www.benandalice.com/2008/06/disuse-seems-worse-evil.html?showComment=1214339460000#c4874274321538139952' title=''/><author><name>Ben</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/14485477702193993859</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='http://www.benandalice.com/2008/06/disuse-seems-worse-evil.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19766924.post-8421352458229864969' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/19766924/posts/default/8421352458229864969' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' name='blogger.itemClass' value='pid-44716274'/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19766924.post-4156048019841155386</id><published>2008-06-23T21:18:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2008-06-23T21:18:00.000-04:00</updated><title type='text'>As I'm sure you are aware, I need that lesson.  "E...</title><content type='html'>As I'm sure you are aware, I need that lesson.  "Even so..."  "Even though...."  Help!!&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;I think of you every single time I use a semi-colon because I remember how much you used to like them.  I always wonder why I don't use them more, but the situation doesn't seem to present itself often.  It is a lovely mark, though.</content><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/19766924/8421352458229864969/comments/default/4156048019841155386'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/19766924/8421352458229864969/comments/default/4156048019841155386'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://www.benandalice.com/2008/06/disuse-seems-worse-evil.html?showComment=1214270280000#c4156048019841155386' title=''/><author><name>Meg</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/15168215827985186993</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='http://www.benandalice.com/2008/06/disuse-seems-worse-evil.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19766924.post-8421352458229864969' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/19766924/posts/default/8421352458229864969' type='text/html'/><gd:extendedProperty xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' name='blogger.itemClass' value='pid-1611822006'/></entry></feed>
